Pompey on the Never Never

Don't forget the small print.

It struck me whilst pinching myself this week that Pompey never did buy any players after Mandaric left, we just rented them.

Despite all the PR bull coming out of the Park, it would seem that nobody actually signed for us over the past few years. Each and every player no more than an HP agreement with more sauce than substance and all of them  'gracing' the team only because funny money had effectively bribed them to come to Pompey to strut their stuff.  Condiments in Redknapp's bad for our health fry-up.

And at the end of the dream we sold them all, and didn't even clear the outstanding payments. HP, hire purchase, call it what you will, but I prefer to think of it as a bottle full of the brown stuff.

Despite the weekly revelations that Peter never paid Paul, or John, or Sid, or Carlo or..., Fratton Park would still have you believe we spent tens of millions on players. But we now know that all those headline figures were just notional values with a deposit paid and promises of more payments in the future.

That's not to say of course that we didn't fork out £5m a month in cash on wages. As troubling as it sounded then, it sounds even more ludicrous now. I ask you, who in their right mind thinks burning through a year's worth of gate receipts every 2 months is sound business? It does have you questioning the sanity of those decisions, more so now it's rumoured that the execs scour the terraces at the end of each game looking for dropped coins and pay particular attention to mislaid lottery tickets.

And so they should given the rate in which we made people rich. I won't bore you with the numbers, but when you take into account wages and down payments, a player like Crouch was probably costing us at least £20,000 a week in interest alone and that's before we paid off the loan itself. And remember Crouch was one of many and most of them it has to be said, failing to give anything like value for money.

Loyalty bonus any one?

Which when you consider it, probably explains why Pompey's transfers were always shrouded in mystery. The closest we got to understanding what was going on was being told that the Chief Exec was in some faraway place and from that we assumed that a deal was in the offing. But what we never found out was what had been paid for a player's services and when they were sold on, the whole process started again. Agents and players, the only real winners.

But should we be critical of this process? After all, it could argued that had some greedy little red braced banker not mucked up, we would still be flying high. More money coming in than even Peter Storrie could spend.

Or should we be looking at this for what it probably was. Persistent lack of judgement regularly involving sums larger than the organic, non TV money, turnover of Fratton Park. Somebody at PFC was gambling big time with our Club and now it hasn't paid off, it's the supporters who are left to pick up the pieces.

What to do? March, protest, pitch invasion or should we expect the board to admit liability? Resignations? You would have thought so, but that requires dignity and I am not so sure there's much of that left at Fratton Park these days.

 


Posted Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:07 AM by c h r i s
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Lilly Savage on the ravage wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:22 AM

yep. you got it. spend til you end

DaveB wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 11:46 AM

Yeah, all good stuff Chris.

It's a spot-on summary of what has gone on and difficult to challenge any of it.

And as you say, the supporters end up the victims of the whole sorry scenario.

Jess wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:05 PM

Didn't the finance director resign this week?

c h r i s wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:10 PM

Something happened Jess. Not sure whether she left the Board or the Club...

Allez Pompey wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:11 PM

Sums up the situation perfectly.

I suppose almost every transfer fee being 'undisclosed' should have set alarm bells ringing, but at that time I guess we were just enjoying the ride...

ozpompey wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:20 PM

it just seems to me that football finances are just one big merry-go-round.....does any club ever not owe other clubs??....when we sold defoe, crouch and krankie to spuds for 20 odd million why did we still end up owing them money for mendes, brown and pamarot???.......they never cost us that much,so surely we must have come out on top........and why do clubs not owe us money on transfer fees....diarra and muntari for instance, are they still paying us??...if so where does/did this money go??...and if not then why not??....i truly struggle sometimes to understand the whole concept of this transfer fee payments. even these loan deals seem to be some sort of financial white wash....clubs loan out a player, they get a loan fee but still pay a percentage of the players wages,where is the sense in that??..........keep your loan fee, just play the players wages in full......i think the biggest mistake in football was allowing agents to basically dictate what a player recieves in wages ,bonus' and signing on fees, i mean the more they get in a players contract,there more they get themselves,so it is purely selfish reasons they are telling players you are worth 10 million plus 100 grand a week in wages, even then i dont completely blame the agents and players, if they ask for the sky and get it ,well the fault lies with managers and chairmen/CEO's for agreeing to pay it....yes we rented our 'greatest squad', but how come when the lease is up we are still paying rent???....there must be logic in this mess somewhere,i just cant find it...........

Jess wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:40 PM

thanks Chris. Was she pushed or had she had enough.

Goldenboot wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 12:41 PM

Clubs should have stocking loans, they pay one lump sum and the value of the player is credited back to the club by a finance company, that finance company then holds the players contract/registration until the loan is settled.

All loans secured against the value of the individual players.

With the finance companies taking a look at risk and values, that would create a market "correction" in transfer values.

c h r i s wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 2:04 PM

Boot, it works for cars but how would the finance company arrive at a value?

DaveB wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 2:05 PM

I would really like to see the Business Plan that Pompey have been working to (if it exists). On the face of it there appears to be a severe lack of any sort of a Plan. But that being the case how do they produce Monthly Reports for senior management? Again, maybe they don't and possibly therein lies a part of the problem. Nobody monitoring and managing the budget, costs and incomes at the club properly. Probably true of a lot of other clubs too - but I only care about Pompey.

pompeymac wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 2:08 PM

A fair assessment of the reason for our financial woes Chris.

Lets hope when the dust settles that those that caused this mess are held accountable and we can rise form ashes and never return to these dark days.

c h r i s wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 2:19 PM

I don't like to be critical of the staff at Pompey Dave given they were very good to me when I started myPompey... but, I was surprised at the lack of professionalism shown by some of the folks there...(not the senior execs) for example, internal and highly sensitive email chains being forwarded to me, which had I been less ethical, could have ended up anywhere.... So, from my experiences, the Club could do a lot better and dare I say it could do well to drop the arrogance and polish up on its basic business practices.

 

DaveB said:

I would really like to see the Business Plan that Pompey have been working to (if it exists). On the face of it there appears to be a severe lack of any sort of a Plan. But that being the case how do they produce Monthly Reports for senior management? Again, maybe they don't and possibly therein lies a part of the problem. Nobody monitoring and managing the budget, costs and incomes at the club properly. Probably true of a lot of other clubs too - but I only care about Pompey.

pompey excile wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 2:34 PM

RE The value of players .

The agents have one price,Media another,Club one more maybe a panel !

Goldenboot wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 3:08 PM

Chris .. Exactley ... the player would have to be valued according to the real market value, rather than clubs setting up adhoc finance repayments between them with no registration of the debt.

How can Inter have title/playing rights on Muntari, when Udinese havn't been paid fo the transfer??

Mental!

c h r i s wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 24 2010 3:19 PM

Boot, did you see Fargo? William H Macey and his attempts to defraud the stocking finance company (and his father in law)

 

Mark A wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Mon, Jan 25 2010 10:26 AM

One problem with the picture of Mr Macey and tieing it in with the Pompey board....Can you really see anyone holding their hansds up and saying" Fair cop, we dropped a big one, and now we're Scre*ed"? I can't.

artist wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Mon, Jan 25 2010 10:36 AM

IT MAY WELL TAKE US MANY SEASONS TO RECOVER FROM THIS APALLING MISMANAGEMENT IF EVER      WELL WRITTEN CHRIS.

mick leeds wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Mon, Jan 25 2010 3:30 PM

Just wondered why peter storrie is in news all time saying this and that and telling you all to back the new owner, wasn't he in charge when all these bad deals were being done????????

Mark Lynch wrote re: Pompey on the Never Never
on Sun, Jan 31 2010 12:06 AM

Hi, I am an Evertonian and just want you guys to know, that there are many many opposition fans who really feel for you,

It is a disgrace, how your Baord are treeting you, and how they have let your club down time and time again over the last couple of seasons, i certainly hope that you recover from the current farce and Portsmouth FC live on to fight another day

Regards

Mark

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